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[20:54] <Signal_11> Mediaone is good about picking up the phone... but then they just drool on the receiver. The Time Warner crew never picks up the phone... but when they do... they bark into it.
[20:54] <dieman> hehe
[20:54] <dieman> yeah
[20:54] * CmdrTaco wanted to fuck with dickhead a bit.
[20:54] <Signal_11> Oh.. this is just wonderful....
[20:54] <dieman> m1 level two rules
[20:54] <dieman> HAHAHA
[20:54] <Signal_11> Christ.. it never ends...
[20:55] <CmdrTaco> Sig:I edited your little retirement rant, but didn't save it. I figured that'd be to mean.
[20:55] <mdxi> right, who hasn't been here yet today...
[20:55] <CmdrTaco> It was so factually flawed, I was laughing my ass off.
[20:55] <mdxi> PAGING JON KATZ
[20:55] <Signal_11> Here it comes...
[20:55] <dieman> Signal_11 - i took 45 min once to convince a level1 tech how dhcp works
[20:55] <CmdrTaco> You quitting proves that the karma kap worked. The most annoying of the whores shut up.
[20:55] <dieman> hmmm
[20:55] <dieman> ZEELAND, MI 49464
[20:55] <CmdrTaco> Katz don't IRC so good.
[20:56] <Signal_11> It's so nice to see you hold me in such high regard.
[20:56] * harb blinks.
[20:56] <mdxi> we need a complete set though. we're only missing him and hemos, i think.
[20:56] <harb> What the monkey?
[20:56] <dieman> MALDA SUCKS!
[20:56] <dieman> ;)
[20:56] <CmdrTaco> Sig:I don't really care about you. You just annoy the hell out of me.
[20:56] <CmdrTaco> <-- Sucks.
[20:56] <harb> Uhm..
[20:56] <Signal_11> You slam me behind my back, diss me, and now you just come in here and do it some more.
[20:56] <CmdrTaco> <-- and used to it by now.
[20:56] <Dolgan> is someone logging this?
[20:56] <harb> Maturity is fun.
[20:56] <Signal_11> Yet you don't care?
[20:56] <dieman> http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/lwce/pics/malda-sucks.jpg
[20:56] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Its fun ;)
[20:56] * DJBongHit smacks CmdrTaco
[20:56] <Signal_11> Just leave me alone, Rob... I've had enough for one week.
[20:56] <qslack> Damn that's the real taco!
[20:56] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Dark Angel hasn't started yet.
[20:57] <CmdrTaco> DJ:At least past that over here.
[20:57] <DJBongHit> lol
[20:57] * DJBongHit passes CmdrTaco the bowl
[20:57] <harb> Blah.
[20:57] * harb detaches from lameness.
[20:57] <CmdrTaco> Sig:I've had to deal with your childish crap for 3 years. You can handle 10 sentances of IRC slapping ;)
[20:57] <Signal_11> I've had to deal with you for alot longer than that!
[20:57] <CmdrTaco> "Slashdot sucks. I hate you rob. I am the reason for all things good and bad with slashdot"
[20:57] <shaggy> heh
[20:57] <Dolgan> /wj #slashdot
[20:57] <Dolgan> oops
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[20:58] <Signal_11> Besides... the trolls were better at dissing me anyway. You just suck at it.
[20:58] <CmdrTaco> Signal 11 thinks he is the reason for moderation, for mete moderation, and for jesus.
[20:58] <DJBongHit> phUnBalanced: you're missing some funny shit here
[20:58] <shaggy> CmdrTaco: don't put so much stock in yourself
[20:58] <phUnBalanced> DJBongHit!
[20:58] * CmdrTaco is an idiot.
[20:58] * CmdrTaco can admit it.
[20:58] <Signal_11> Ugh.
[20:58] <phUnBalanced> DJBongHit what's up?
[20:58] * DJBongHit is God
[20:58] <CmdrTaco> Sig11 is just plain egomaniacal and naive.
[20:58] <Dolgan> someone is logging this, yes?
[20:58] <phUnBalanced> uh oh Signal_11 vs CmdrTaco
[20:58] <DJBongHit> phUnBalanced: CmdrTaco vs. Signal_11
[20:58] <CmdrTaco> DJ:Thats some good shit. I'd tend to agree with you ;)
[20:58] <DJBongHit> Dolgan: I am
[20:58] <Signal_11> Yeah.. Slashdot Smackdown 2000...
[20:58] <AArthur> hehe
[20:58] * CmdrTaco bows towards the DJ.
[20:58] <DJBongHit> CmdrTaco: word :)
[20:59] <shaggy> hrm
[20:59] <phUnBalanced> smokedot smackdown?
[20:59] <phUnBalanced> or just smack?
[20:59] <DJBongHit> phUnBalanced: lol
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[20:59] <CmdrTaco> I work all day, you just fucking troll websites. That definitely qualifies you as an expert.
[20:59] <dieman> Dolgan - yes.
[20:59] <Signal_11> Taco...
[20:59] <kck> heh.
[20:59] <DJBongHit> roflmao
[20:59] <Signal_11> You said a long time ago you'd fix the system.
[20:59] <Signal_11> You promised us that this wasn't permanent.
[20:59] <CmdrTaco> Sig:If I saw a problem.
[20:59] * DJBongHit wishes his roommate would get back with the weed
[20:59] <CmdrTaco> Sig:I don't know. The kap seems to work.
[20:59] <Signal_11> YOU BITCHSLAPPED IT.
[21:00] <Signal_11> That's what you did! You didn't fix it, you just made it worse!
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[21:00] <CmdrTaco> Com'on sig: make sense!
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[21:00] <jamie> rant rant rant
[21:00] <shaggy> flop flop flop
[21:00] <QuoteMstr> Wow, clash of the titans.
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[21:00] <DJBongHit> lol, the whole slashdot crew vs. Signal_11
[21:00] <CmdrTaco> hey guys! I'm having some fun ;)
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[21:00] <jamie> use more exclamation points, s11, that'll help
[21:00] <Signal_11> Christ - if you don't believe me... go read the replies on my post in the slashback article.
[21:00] <CmdrTaco> Allright Sig, bring it on. Whats broken?
[21:00] <dieman> here comes rusty!
[21:00] <Signal_11> Other people think this too.
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[21:00] <CmdrTaco> Other people don't have the same data as I do.
[21:00] <rusty> man
[21:01] <CmdrTaco> M2 works.
[21:01] <CmdrTaco> I have stats.
[21:01] <rusty> i thought it was just really quiet in here
[21:01] <CmdrTaco> Moderation works.
[21:01] <Signal_11> And you're calling me arrogant?
[21:01] <CmdrTaco> I have statistics.
[21:01] <CmdrTaco> They ain't perfect.
[21:01] <sugarush> As do I.
[21:01] <phUnBalanced> <grin>
[21:01] <phUnBalanced> not!
[21:01] <rusty> i've been disconnected forever
[21:01] <CmdrTaco> But they're 90-95% working.
[21:01] <Signal_11> So what, stats are like bikini's.. they're just suggestive.
[21:01] * QuoteMstr places his bets.
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[21:01] <rusty> ooh
[21:01] <rusty> flamewar :-)
[21:01] * jamie rolls eyes
[21:01] <DJBongHit> rusty: oh yes.
[21:01] <CmdrTaco> Oh, shit! Dark Angel!
[21:01] * CmdrTaco is away: dark angel.
[21:01] <Signal_11> Besides... you can't test a system by looking at the norm. You look at the extremes.
[21:01] <jamie> whatever
[21:01] * shaggy is away: vegetating
[21:01] <phUnBalanced> er?
[21:02] * jamie re-/ignores
[21:02] <phUnBalanced> left for a bad tv show?
[21:02] <DJBongHit> Signal_11: that's why I just delete trolls on smokedot. I'm not gonna put up with that shit.
[21:02] <rusty> i should probably not get involved in this huh :-)
[21:02] <Signal_11> Sigh.
[21:02] <DJBongHit> rusty: i'm logging it, this is a keeper :-)
[21:02] <shaggy> rusty vs. CmdrTaco
[21:02] <phUnBalanced> Signal_11 I dont' think is a troll though
[21:02] <Signal_11> He comes in, slams me, then walks out to watch TV. what's WRONG with this picture...
[21:02] <phUnBalanced> karma whore maybe
[21:02] <shaggy> btw
[21:02] <kck> kck Vs. You All
[21:02] <phUnBalanced> <grin>
[21:02] <shaggy> that's not cmdrtaco
[21:02] <phUnBalanced> Signal_11 Agreed
[21:02] <kck> nur.
[21:02] <dieman> no
[21:02] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: Slashdot moderation works in the sense that dropping an anvil on your head to sleep each night works.
[21:02] <dieman> it is cmdrtaco
[21:02] <mdxi> he *spelled* like cmdrtaco
[21:02] <Signal_11> If that ain't, then it's taco's fault for not adding nick kill ability to it.
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[21:02] <dieman> its gotta be a registered nick.
[21:02] <CmdrTaco> Slashdot Moderation in that if you read slashdot at Score:2, you get better comments then if there was no moderaation system at all.
[21:02] <kck> heh.
[21:02] <Signal_11> ... didn't you just call me a karma whore and say that wasn't true?
[21:02] <rusty> i agree with that
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[21:03] <Signal_11> ... isn't it true that by posting crap that agrees with the collective you get modded up?
[21:03] <CmdrTaco> Its not 100% successful. No system based on volunteers ever will be.
[21:03] <Signal_11> 100% successful? It ain't even 30%.
[21:03] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Yup. And you demonstrate that perfectly.
[21:03] <GandalfGreyhame> Signal_11 : Very true
[21:03] <impure_element> what's with the topic
[21:03] <CmdrTaco> It is 90+% successful.
[21:03] <kck> where are we getting these numbers?
[21:03] <CmdrTaco> closer to 95.
[21:03] <phUnBalanced> I disagree
[21:03] <kck> 30% 90% etc
[21:03] <kck> heh
[21:03] <Signal_11> The trolls have organized - it's gotten to the point where we have jargon to describe it!
[21:03] <phUnBalanced> good guesses
[21:03] <DJBongHit> CmdrTaco: smokedot is 100% successful. Not a single troll survives. :)
[21:03] <CmdrTaco> M2 results, and my own checking.
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[21:04] <DJBongHit> rusty: lol
[21:04] <phUnBalanced> wtf came up with the term Troll anyways?
[21:04] <mdxi> the debate has started
[21:04] <stevens_> it's more than 30%; I wouldn't read the comments at all unless I can push the number to read down to 30ish
[21:04] <GandalfGreyhame> rusty : Ha ! I love this
[21:04] <Signal_11> You aren't helping things rusty...
[21:04] <mdxi> not this one, the presidential one
[21:04] <rusty> sorry
[21:04] <impure_element> now thats a good topic
[21:04] <phUnBalanced> rusty: lmao
[21:04] <CmdrTaco> This dark angel chick is a druggie. Damn.
[21:04] <ebw> Troll is a term from usenet
[21:04] * GandalfGreyhame wonders when someone beside himself is going to realize what Signal_11's post on Kuro5hin actually was
[21:04] <phUnBalanced> I like the zoosex one!
[21:04] <kck> cmdrtaco: but she's hot
[21:04] <DJBongHit> CmdrTaco: the chick from dark angel is hot
[21:04] <DJBongHit> so it doesn't matter
[21:04] <phUnBalanced> props to Dark Angel!
[21:04] <CmdrTaco> She's super hot.
[21:04] <DJBongHit> kck: lol
[21:04] <kck> :)
[21:04] <phUnBalanced> lol
[21:04] <phUnBalanced> smoke on
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[21:05] <impure_element> I gotta go to phUnBalanced on the fact that she's hot
[21:05] <DJBongHit> phUnBalanced: you want to come by and smoke tonight?
[21:05] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: Tell me this --- How often do you see a pro-Microsoft post moderated up, and how often is moderating up a pro-microsoft post punished in metamoderation?
[21:05] <Simcop> is YDL any good?
[21:05] <Signal_11> Why is it that no matter where I go, the *feet* follow me.
[21:05] <rusty> GandalfGreyhame: what was it?
[21:05] <kck> Yellow Dog Linux?
[21:05] <Simcop> yeah
[21:05] <GandalfGreyhame> http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2000/10/3/194736/317;tool=post&mode=moderate
[21:05] <kck> haven't tried it
[21:05] * Simcop pokes at rusty
[21:05] <kck> only linuxppc
[21:05] * teferi is away.. autoaway after 30 minutes ..(log+page)
[21:05] <CmdrTaco> Anyway, Signal 11 has wasted enough of my time. Giving him attention only makes him think he's relevant.
[21:05] <GandalfGreyhame> CmdrTaco : He is
[21:06] <rusty> GandalfGreyhame: no, i read it, but what do you think it was?
[21:06] <kck> haha
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[21:06] <CmdrTaco> Now that he can't measure his selft worth in karma, he doesn't have much.
[21:06] <phUnBalanced> CmdrTaco: I have to defend Signal_11, he's not an idiot
[21:06] <Simcop> in your opinion
[21:06] <Signal_11> Hey... considering you employ one Jon Katz as your karma whore, I wouldn't beat my chest too loudly!
[21:06] <Simcop> which is better
[21:06] <GandalfGreyhame> rusty : Hmm.... maybe I'm just an overly cynical bastard from just getting out of high school
[21:06] <Simcop> linuxPPC
[21:06] <Simcop> or YDL?
[21:06] <SuperQ> evening folks
[21:06] <kck> I'd say Linuxppc
[21:06] <kck> but that's just me
[21:06] <rusty> GandalfGreyhame: i don't think it was what you think it was :-)
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[21:06] <Simcop> k
[21:06] <GandalfGreyhame> CmdrTaco : Signal_11 does have a brain behind him
[21:06] <kck> I don't use linux enough to make a sound judgement though
[21:07] <Simcop> i just wanna get introduced to it
[21:07] <GandalfGreyhame> rusty : That's just my opinion on it, and one that amuses me greatly =P
[21:07] * CmdrTaco settles down for a second.
[21:07] <Simcop> goodamnit
[21:07] <CmdrTaco> ok, sig11 isn't an idiot.
[21:07] <Signal_11> Taco's just upset.. he thinks I'm the cause of all the trolling. I'm not.
[21:07] <Simcop> cyber bond wont fuckin work on a mac
[21:07] <CmdrTaco> He is annoying. He is a pest.
[21:07] <CmdrTaco> but he's not an idiot.
[21:07] <Simcop> thats horse shit
[21:07] <DJBongHit> CmdrTaco: deep breath. relax.
[21:07] <kck> what kinda of mac are you gonna run it on simcop?
[21:07] <DJBongHit> smoke a bowl
[21:07] <CmdrTaco> He just sees the slashdot moderation system differently then me.
[21:07] <Signal_11> Me disappearing won't change slashdot one iota and we both know it, can we atleast agree on that?
[21:07] <Simcop> g3 350
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[21:07] <kck> heh
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[21:07] <GandalfGreyhame> rusty : See where I'm coming from though?
[21:07] <kck> drwiii.
[21:07] <rusty> whoever's logging, i want a copy of this later on :-)
[21:07] <phUnBalanced> CmdrTaco: he's trying to help point out inherent flaws in the system
[21:07] <drwiii> kcj
[21:07] <CmdrTaco> He expects perfection from a system built upon volunteers.
[21:07] <DJBongHit> rusty: I've got it
[21:08] <phUnBalanced> he does it a lot better then masses of trolls
[21:08] <AArthur> Simcop: Well, LinuxPPC can't even get there DNS stuff working right for there own servers, and they release very lame security warnings
[21:08] <Dolgan> cmdrtaco, erm... hot grits?
[21:08] <CaptTofu> ok, so he provides a site for all of you, and it costs, what, nothing? And all you do is bitch about it?
[21:08] <mdxi> by the way, the word for "be suckered by a persuasive person to temporarily turn off their critical thinking skills and become emotional about things." is "demagoguery"
[21:08] <phUnBalanced> DJBongHit me too!
[21:08] <seanwerk> CmdrTaco: Isn't that what Linux/FreeBSD/et. al. are?
[21:08] <Signal_11> I dont' expect perfection! I expect some goddamned effort and people who are willing to experiment....
[21:08] <CmdrTaco> The inherrant flaw in the system is that people working for free won't be perfect.
[21:08] <DJBongHit> CmdrTaco: LOL. use scoop for slashdot :)
[21:08] <Dolgan> rusty, looks like we have a bit of activity tonight, eh? ;)
[21:08] <seanwerk> I have expected perfection, and recieved it.
[21:08] <Simcop> so arthur, YDL would be better?
[21:08] <drdink> hmm
[21:08] <kck> you all stop typing!
[21:08] <CmdrTaco> There will be mistakes in moderation. There will be trolling. Spam. Asses.
[21:08] <kck> I can't read this fast!
[21:08] * Simcop waves at dolgan
[21:08] <phUnBalanced> CmdrTaco: people do a lot of things for free
[21:08] <mdxi> seanwerk: really good blowjob, eh?
[21:08] <CaptTofu> it doesn't matter what you 'expect'. It's his site.
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[21:08] <Dolgan> kck, me neither, and it's all so interesting too :)
[21:08] <drwiii> spam asses?
[21:08] <phUnBalanced> CmdrTaco: not just slash
[21:08] <kck> haha.
[21:08] <rusty> GandalfGreyhame: i dunno. maybe. but it doesn't matter. I still thought it was pretty good :-)
[21:09] <Signal_11> So what. It's more than just "a" site. It's the site. What slashdot says carries weight.. even if what it says has typos in it.
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[21:09] <CmdrTaco> Dark angel has a hot girlfriend!
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[21:09] <GandalfGreyhame> rusty : So did I. Can you at least see that I may have a point? I don't care if you agree with it, as long as you can see where I'm thinking.
[21:09] <phUnBalanced> dante... umd.edu ?
[21:09] <drwiii> trollin, trollin, trollin on a river
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[21:09] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: I remember the introduction of metamoderation in the first place. When is the last time you at least *tries* something different, *tried* to improve moderation?
[21:09] <CmdrTaco> Hey bates, welcome to the fray ;)
[21:09] <rusty> heh
[21:09] <hemos_> Hey, it's the happy fun bus!
[21:09] <kck> heh.
[21:09] <Signal_11> Taco.. would you like to see what I got in my inbox in the past 2 days?
[21:09] <CmdrTaco> Quote:Many changes are in various states of code.
[21:09] <Signal_11> I can tell you - zero flames, all encouragement.
[21:10] <Signal_11> I'm not some lone ranger out here.
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[21:10] <jamie> The bottom line is that I've participated in online discussion systems since the late 1970s, and the slashcode provides the best system I've ever seen for > 10^4 users. It's not perfect but it's damn good at marginalizing annoying people.
[21:10] <CmdrCanadrian> Hi..
[21:10] <kck> hah!
[21:10] <kck> hey adrian
[21:10] <drwiii> adrian: nice.
[21:10] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Of course. You're jesus. You crying out against someone who is successful means that everyone else can say ra ra.
[21:10] <CmdrCanadrian> Hi..
[21:10] <CmdrTaco> It's the same deal with microsoft, but on a smaller scale.
[21:10] <Signal_11> jamie: I've participated in online systems since the late 80's, and while I'm not as old or as wise, I know slashdot could use some work.
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[21:10] <jamie> Some annoying people like S11 keep trying to find ways to demarginalize themselves, but that just means the software isn't perfect (duh).
[21:10] <CmdrTaco> They are successful, so ra ra everyone hates them.
[21:10] <CmdrCanadrian> hmm..
[21:10] <Signal_11> Even if it is the best, that's no excuse not to atleast TRY to improve on it.
[21:10] <phUnBalanced> CmdrTaco, slashdot is a cool site, great info, very useful, but why not improve the system?
[21:11] <CmdrTaco> Suddenly linux gets super popular.
[21:11] <DJBongHit> ARGH!!!!! FUCK!!
[21:11] <kck> "fad"
[21:11] * kck runs
[21:11] <CmdrTaco> Linux is better. But these days many people use it 'cuz its cool to be different. Its a fad!
[21:11] * DJBongHit just spilled bong water on the carpet
[21:11] <CmdrTaco> Its popular.
[21:11] <GandalfGreyhame> CmdrTaco : Linux sucks :)
[21:11] <phUnBalanced> that doesn't stop linux from getting better
[21:11] <kck> heh
[21:11] <CmdrTaco> Dissing someone popyular is a great way to make yourself seem smarter or more important.
[21:11] <DJBongHit> GandalfGreyhame: don't start.
[21:11] * drwiii [heart] freebsd
[21:11] <QuoteMstr> Gandalf is a BeOS zealot. :)
[21:11] <GandalfGreyhame> DJBongHit : Hehe, couldn't resist :)
[21:11] <Simcop> so YDL is better for beginner than linuxPPC?
[21:11] <CmdrTaco> and its easier to gain followers when you have an arbitrary enemy.
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[21:12] * DJBongHit disses CmdrTaco and is therefore smarter and more important
[21:12] <CmdrTaco> phun:We are improving the system.
[21:12] <phUnBalanced> GandalfGreyhame: oh yeah, well that's just like your opinion man
[21:12] * panner just got home
[21:12] <kck> dunno simcop
[21:12] <harb> Is stuff being stupid yet?
[21:12] <harb> =\
[21:12] <harb> +done
[21:12] <mdxi> i read that as "panner just got some"
[21:12] <GandalfGreyhame> phUnBalanced : That's all I'm presenting it as
[21:12] * rusty disses DJBongHit and is therefore also unimportant :-)
[21:12] * Simcop kicks panner in the junk
[21:12] * Simcop
[21:12] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: Where's the improvement? I haven't seen any changes in almost a year.
[21:12] <CmdrTaco> I get hundreds of emails every week about the moderation system.
[21:12] <phUnBalanced> CmdrTaco: but that's all Sig11 is trying to do... he's not just trying to take down the System
[21:12] <Simcop> where j00 been
[21:12] <hemos_> Signal: That's because it's not as obvious as that.
[21:12] <kck> heh
[21:12] <phUnBalanced> since when is /. that important that it's the "System"
[21:12] <panner> mdxi: no, but if you could set something up...
[21:12] <CmdrTaco> I debate this with many many people. And I take the best stuff and hopefully will use it.
[21:12] * panner couldn't get online at first
[21:12] <Signal_11> hemos: then help me understand it.
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[21:12] <panner> found out my access number changed :)
[21:13] <drdink> hemos_: did you get "cowboyneal_'s message" earlier? :P
[21:13] <Simcop> hahah
[21:13] <hemos_> Signal: Then I spend all day doing that.
[21:13] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: people have been debating changes for years. You can't tell me all of their ideas sucked.
[21:13] <CmdrTaco> many of the changes are subtle. Look at the code and you'd see them.
[21:13] * rusty would love to participate here but i can'
[21:13] <phUnBalanced> GandalfGreyhame: yeah just a line from the Big Lebowski
[21:13] <Simcop> im D/lin YDL
[21:13] <hemos_> dink: Yepper.
[21:13] <rusty> t type that fast
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[21:13] <CmdrTaco> Sig:The vast majority of ideas suck.
[21:13] <drdink> heh :)
[21:13] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: It'd be nice if you made this an open process instead of constantly responding "it's in the works" in one form of another.
[21:13] <CmdrTaco> we have a lot of things that we need to consider.
[21:13] * panner wonders what the hell is going on
[21:13] <phUnBalanced> run away panner
[21:13] <Simcop> panner, OX.net changed their access 's?
[21:13] <CmdrTaco> 1. Processing power (some things need CPU to do big queries)
[21:13] <DJBongHit> panner: a big, sloppy bitchfight
[21:13] <GandalfGreyhame> panner : Read the title :)
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[21:13] <GandalfGreyhame> s/title/topic
[21:13] <CmdrTaco> 2. Social Factors (will it help?)
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[21:13] <SuperQ> QuoteMstr: not every system has to be an open system
[21:13] <panner> Simcop: don't have qx.net right now
[21:13] <drwiii> DELETE FROM users WHERE id > 0
[21:13] <emad> hrmm
[21:13] <Dolgan> panner, oh Signal 11 is now a member of kuro5hin, and CmdrTaco came in about 30 mins ago... so everyone and their brotehr joined.. you guess the rest
[21:13] <panner> GandalfGreyhame: hehe :)
[21:14] <panner> Dolgan: sounds like fun! ;)
[21:14] <Dolgan> it is :)
[21:14] <mdxi> drwiii: bitchin'! then i can lower my UID some more!
[21:14] <dieman> haha
[21:14] <Signal_11> Yeah... We got a regular flame war going here, and for once I didn't start it...
[21:14] <CmdrTaco> Most of the suggestions were long ago covered on the mods list.
[21:14] * panner is under windows right now :(
[21:14] * CmdrTaco loves a little flame ;)
[21:14] * phUnBalanced is just simply flaming
[21:14] * drwiii is user 434, ha ha
[21:14] <phUnBalanced> <grin>
[21:14] <hemos_> The original moderators came up with 99% of the suggestions that I see now.
[21:14] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: Why haven't you tried any then? Atleast show people what happens. Failure isn't always bad!
[21:14] <GandalfGreyhame> CmdrTaco : Little? More like a blowtorch
[21:14] <zed> drwiii, /me is user 279, ha ha
[21:14] <phUnBalanced> lol
[21:15] <drwiii> :(
[21:15] <Octal> 310 < 434
[21:15] <hemos_> That's part of the problem of debating it - I always end nup hearing the same thing over and over.
[21:15] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Yes we have tried many of them. You just don't see the changes.
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[21:15] <Dolgan> panner, yup.. read the log that someone wil surely post. CmdrTaco popped in and called Sig11 a dickhead :0
[21:15] * rusty roasts marshmallows
[21:15] <drwiii> i saw a /. account for auction on ebay
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[21:15] <phUnBalanced> roflmao
[21:15] <Simcop> hehe
[21:15] <Signal_11> drwiii: I saw that too.
[21:15] <hemos_> wiii: There's more then one.
[21:15] <drwiii> heh
[21:15] <phUnBalanced> Signal_11 bought it
[21:15] <phUnBalanced> <grin>
[21:15] <panner> Dolgan: oooh... I missed it! :(
[21:15] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: Why keep it internal to the Slashdot cabal?
[21:15] <Simcop> ahh hell
[21:15] <mdxi> i would have a k-1337 low UID but i was really upset when accounts were put in place and didn't get one for a while
[21:15] <Simcop> i hate FTP's
[21:15] <adrian> Hi Doug!
[21:15] <phUnBalanced> there is NO CABAL!
[21:15] <Simcop> damn YDL
[21:15] <Doug> hi adrian.
[21:15] <panner> I don't think attending some talk was worth missing this...
[21:15] <Signal_11> And NO, once and for all *I DID NOT AUCTION OR BUY ANY NICKS* ....
[21:15] * CmdrTaco sighs.
[21:15] <hemos_> Quote: Read the Code.
[21:15] <Doug> rob.
[21:15] <panner> anyone heard of Databeam?
[21:15] <phUnBalanced> it's all about he moobits per second
[21:15] <Doug> do me a favor.
[21:15] <CmdrTaco> The cabal is the fucking code. Look at it.
[21:16] <phUnBalanced> lol
[21:16] <Doug> hire someone that can grammarcheck /.
[21:16] <phUnBalanced> I was kidding
[21:16] <Doug> hell. i'll pay for it.
[21:16] <kck> haha!
[21:16] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: yeah that code could take someone's arm off if you get too close!
[21:16] <drwiii> wow
[21:16] <hemos_> Sig: Then help clean it.
[21:16] <emad> too much flame
[21:16] <drwiii> this is much more interesting than the presidential debates :P
[21:16] <CmdrTaco> Sig:You haven't read that code in a year, have you.
[21:16] * rusty would personally like to make a lot of money so that everyone can hate me too. ;-)
[21:16] <i> drwiii: hell yeah
[21:16] <Signal_11> hemos: He's been slamming me all night, time for revenge. :P
[21:16] <panner> heh... screw the debates!
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[21:16] <Dolgan> drwiii, definitely ;)
[21:16] <phUnBalanced> rusty: wooohooo
[21:16] <Simcop> ahhh fuck me
[21:16] <emad> cmdrtaco, what are your views on medicare ? you have 3 minutes for your response
[21:16] <harb> AlGore : Woah.
[21:16] <Simcop> the debates are on!
[21:16] <drwiii> i still vote for nader.
[21:16] <harb> It's Al Gore.
[21:16] <Reefab> Argh , No many jazz on Napster !!!
[21:16] <Signal_11> Cmdr: I sure did. It's a shining example of why perl is called a write-only language.
[21:16] <drwiii> nader = jon katz?
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[21:16] <phUnBalanced> BROWNE!!!
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[21:17] <DJBongHit_> GAH
[21:17] <DJBongHit_> fucking modem
[21:17] <phUnBalanced> heh
[21:17] <AlGore> I think that we should all work together to blah blah common goal blah blah goats blah environment internet.
[21:17] <DJBongHit_> and now nickserv refuses to release my nick
[21:17] <i> drwiii: noo!!!
[21:17] <CybrWolf> *hunts for steven*
[21:17] <Simcop> hehehe
[21:17] <adrian> DJBongHit, it doesn't like all that pot..
[21:17] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Well we have several people who've read it, and who understand it.
[21:17] <phUnBalanced> Al is here?
[21:17] <Steven> CybrWolf, what?
[21:17] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: What is wrong with a "slashdot" news item announcing something like "Oh, we'll be trying foo to see how it works." and allowing people to comment on it?
[21:17] <Simcop> hahaha!
[21:17] <panner> this client sucks...
[21:17] <QuoteMstr> Not everyone has the time to diff slashcode every few days.
[21:17] <Simcop> theyre all interrupting each other
[21:17] <Signal_11> Cmdrtaco: and you'll note only 7 people contribute to it. *G*
[21:17] <AlGore> i heard there was a good debate over this way.
[21:17] <CybrWolf> stevens_: i heard u are gettin ADSL ?
[21:17] <CmdrTaco> Here's the thing: when we did the first few rounds of moderation, the existing moderators suggested a shitton of stuff.
[21:17] <Steven> CybrWolf, yes
[21:17] <rusty> lol
[21:17] <DJBongHit_> stupid modem
[21:17] <rusty> now we got al gore too
[21:17] <phUnBalanced> yeah
[21:17] <harb> I'm already famous.
[21:17] <drwiii> al gore
[21:17] <CmdrTaco> Since then, in the last 2 years, like 2 people have suggested things that haven't already been discussed.
[21:17] <drwiii> and his open source website
[21:17] <harb> I need not change nick.
[21:17] <adrian> all gore..
[21:17] <Steven> this is going too fast
[21:17] <GandalfGreyhame> CmdrTaco : If its been 2 years, why haven't the suggestions been implemented yet?
[21:17] <panner> stevens_: I heard you were buying dsl for me too ;)
[21:17] <Steven> I can't keep up
[21:17] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: after you guys started metamoderation.. the system hasn't undergone a single major revision since.
[21:17] <kck> adrian
[21:17] <DJBongHit_> CmdrTaco: just a question - does conversation about /. moderation follow you wherever you go? :-)
[21:17] <kck> you are canadian
[21:17] <hemos_> Quote: That's part of why it's not worth news stories all the time.
[21:17] <CmdrTaco> Sig:That you've seen.
[21:17] <adrian> kck, yes
[21:17] <hemos_> Bong: You have no idea.
[21:17] <kck> do not watch the debates :P
[21:17] <GandalfGreyhame> They're obviously still relevant if you're referring to them now
[21:17] <rusty> CmdrTaco: why use an additive system, instead of an averaging system?
[21:17] <Signal_11> DJBong: No, it follows me not him!
[21:18] * GandalfGreyhame apologizes for being severly lagged
[21:18] <DJBongHit_> hemos_: lol, ok
[21:18] * CybrWolf PMs steven
[21:18] <hemos_> Gandalf: Many of them have.
[21:18] <CmdrTaco> DJBong:Yes it does, and its really frickin' boring when I was trying to have 2 hours to watch a movie.
[21:18] <drwiii> replace the comments function with 5 buttons labeled with emoticons. ":)" ":(" "}:(" ":D" ":P"
[21:18] <adrian> kck, Only on Comedy Central
[21:18] <hemos_> hemos: Many of them haven't, because they were dumb.
[21:18] <kck> haha
[21:18] <DJBongHit_> stupid nickserv
[21:18] <Simcop> if i d/l YDL champion server 1.2 will that give me linux?
[21:18] <harb> Heh.
[21:18] <Signal_11> Cmdrtaco: So you run in here, slam me, and then complain about wanting to watch a movie? (?)
[21:18] <kck> simpcop: yes
[21:18] * panner pings GandalfGreyhame constantly, just to test his lag
[21:18] <Signal_11> Make up your mind.........
[21:18] <DJBongHit_> i try to release it and it says "Nick DJBongHit isn't being held." I try to change my nick to DJBongHit and it says "DJBongHit :Nickname is already in use."
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[21:18] <DJBongHit_> woohoo
*** panner is now known as DJBongHit
[21:18] <DJBongHit> hehe :)
[21:19] <Simcop> hahahha
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[21:19] <CybrWolf> ghost it
[21:19] <rusty> rofl
[21:19] <Signal_11> God.. in the past 5 minutes we've probably generated 20 gigs in logfiles...
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[21:19] <CmdrTaco> Most suggestions are security holes, to prone to abuse, processing expensive, difficult/confusing from a UI.
[21:19] <Simcop> grreeeaat
[21:19] <Simcop> here we go again
[21:19] <CmdrTaco> People have many great ideas that just won't work.
[21:19] <phUnBalanced> Signal_11 DJ has them all
[21:19] <DJBongHit> there
[21:19] <Octal> DJBongHit: that's what the ghost command is for.
[21:19] <AlGore> i don't like the way you guys are using my Internet. You should create a family environment that we can all enjoy. As you youngsters say, "IncRe4s3 d4 p1e4cE, y0!"
[21:19] <rusty> (like story moderation ;-))
[21:19] <CmdrTaco> Sig:You've been slamming me for years. I figured I'd take a turn.
[21:19] <DJBongHit> octal: it wasn't working
[21:19] <phUnBalanced> AlGore, since you invented open source
[21:19] <DJBongHit> it usually does
[21:19] <phUnBalanced> what are your views on lynx?
[21:19] <GandalfGreyhame> Signal_11 :
[21:19] <GandalfGreyhame> 123k by my count
[21:19] <drwiii> heh
[21:19] <panner> AlGore: since you invented the internet, you should fix it
[21:19] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: Having fun? Does it feel good?
[21:19] <Dolgan> my #k5.log has grown 168k since 5:00 this morning
[21:19] <drdink> you people are crazy to the bone
[21:19] <Dolgan> i bet a lot of it was this :)
[21:19] <DJBongHit> yay, wee'd here
[21:19] <DJBongHit> err, weed's here
[21:20] * DJBongHit can't type
[21:20] <phUnBalanced> lol
[21:20] <kck> cmdrtaco: take the high rode :P
[21:20] <kck> er
[21:20] <kck> road
[21:20] <AlGore> hey, stop that drug use!
[21:20] <adrian> djbonghit, must be all that pot?
[21:20] <hemos_> rusty: We'll talk in a year and a half. :)
[21:20] <DJBongHit> rusty: modem died, so I no longer have the entire log of this conversation
[21:20] * AlGore calls Janet Reno
[21:20] <drdink> DJBongHit: if you can't type pre-weed, please stay off irc post-weed
[21:20] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Nope, I'm missing a hot chick on TV, and you don't believe a word I say anyway.
[21:20] <GandalfGreyhame> DJ: I've got it
[21:20] <Dolgan> gandalfgreyhame, i was gone during a lot of it too
[21:20] <DJBongHit> adrian: heh. that question follows me everywhere too.
[21:20] <rusty> hemos_: heh. no shit huh?
[21:20] <panner> how can I possibly read k5 when all the fun is in here?
[21:20] <harb> Maybe we should all just turn our krad talkers on, hm?
[21:20] * panner wants a K5-Bot
[21:20] <DJBongHit> drdink: you've seen me on here stoned as hell. I can type :)
[21:20] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: You'd be suprised how easy it is to change my mind if you give me the facts.
[21:20] * GandalfGreyhame will host the log - using BeOS, of course :)
[21:20] <harb> d00d, my j0yst1ck is b1gg3r than j3r5!
[21:20] <harb> blah.
[21:20] <hemos_> rusty: e-mail me sometime - we could talk aboutn it. seriously.
[21:20] <DJBongHit> GandalfGreyhame: cool, send it over here
[21:20] <drdink> drugs are for cowboyneal
[21:20] <Simcop> harb: rotfl
[21:20] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Ask for a fact. Now.
[21:20] <kck> heh drdink
[21:20] <dante> heh
[21:20] <CmdrTaco> Sig:What do you want to know. 5 minutes.
[21:20] <Signal_11> can we mod this channel? it's hard to keep everyone's conversations...
[21:20] * DJBongHit will DoS GandalfGreyhame's box
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[21:20] <CmdrTaco> Then I watch this show ;)
[21:20] <hemos_> Sig: The problem is that whenever we give facts, no one listens.
[21:21] <rusty> hemos_: will do. experience of 10^4 users would be valuable :-)
[21:21] <AlGore> fuck no!
[21:21] <AlGore> oops
[21:21] <DJBongHit> CmdrTaco: this show sucks
[21:21] <AlGore> delete that
[21:21] * panner knows of an empty channel :)
[21:21] <drwiii> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/09/29/1245218&cid=49
[21:21] * kck modes signal11
[21:21] <emad> djbonghit, then leave you idiot
[21:21] <DJBongHit> the only reason to watch is it hot chicks (which is why I'm watching it right now :-)
[21:21] <Steven> Signal_11 this is #k5, not #/.-flame$d
[21:21] <phUnBalanced> #smokedot
[21:21] <CmdrTaco> We give the facts, tomorrow everyone forgets and asks again. Or there's a dozen new people who missed it.
[21:21] <emad> djbonghit, what kind of dumb nick is DJBongHit anyways
[21:21] <Doug> hey taco
*** AlGore is now known as mdxi
[21:21] <Doug> fucking forget moderation
[21:21] <Doug> it really does work well
[21:21] <DJBongHit> emad: shut the hell up
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[21:21] <CmdrTaco> I've been through trhis a thousand times. I've discussed every feature with a thousand people.
[21:21] <Doug> how about grammar check?
[21:21] <panner> #pannerdot :)
[21:21] * GandalfGreyhame smacks panner
[21:21] <phUnBalanced> #SMOKEDOT
[21:21] <harb> Mm.
[21:21] <panner> the only reason I have it is, well, I don't have a reason :)
[21:21] <hemos_> Doug: Heh.
[21:21] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: I don't where to begin. You're saying I suck and that I'm a karma whore, and the karma cap was a good thing. Why is the karma cap "good" ? IT destroys the incentive for people to post.
[21:21] <CmdrTaco> When someone has a new Idea, I discuss it with them. When they have an old idea, I move on.
[21:21] <drwiii> i know, synergize your paradigms!!
[21:22] <stevens_> No moderation system will be all things to all readers...it's mythical.
[21:22] <harb> #bitchingaboutlaqmers
[21:22] <harb> =\
[21:22] <Doug> because i think people are more turned off by blatently misreported stories and shitty grammar than poor moderation
[21:22] <panner> phUnBalanced: you were the one that took it, weren't you? :)
[21:22] <phUnBalanced> this is too funny
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[21:22] <i> CT: I like moderation, you run a great site, and yer karma cap has made whoring less fun - you won
[21:22] <DJBongHit> phUnBalanced: I'm IN #smokedot. you join now :-)
[21:22] <hemos_> Sig: Because a huge number of trolls have left. i've got happy e-mail about it.
[21:22] <phUnBalanced> panner: no ,seriously not
[21:22] <i> good job
[21:22] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Karma is not incentive to post. Karma is about finding good/bad moderators.
[21:22] <drwiii> heh
[21:22] * panner is confused
[21:22] <SuperQ> new poll: sig11 should: 1- pipe down 2- replace malda 3- have a beer 4- lick natlie portman
[21:22] <drwiii> there's a slashdot troll game out there
[21:22] <GandalfGreyhame> CmdrTaco : Signal_11 is right though. Karma just finds people who fit in perfectly to the Slashdot collective
[21:23] <GandalfGreyhame> People in here know I have a useful amount of intelligence, I just don't like linux. Therefor, whenever I post, I get modded down.
[21:23] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Thats why karma was hidden for the first 12 months.
[21:23] <Signal_11> hemos: The trolls didn't leave. I know one personally. They're just on fall break.
[21:23] <Dolgan> eek.. asskissing
[21:23] <Doug> maybe hemos will talk to me then
[21:23] <drwiii> like an RPG
[21:23] <harb> I like 4. But I'm biased.
[21:23] <rusty> heh
[21:23] <CmdrTaco> Sig:I never should have made it a public data 'cuz it turned into a game.
[21:23] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: Then by that definition I should be a permanent moderator!
[21:23] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: Why not rehide karma?
[21:23] <drwiii> http://douglas.min.net/~drw/sd.c <-- there it is
[21:23] <Octal> the trolls didn't leave, drwiii's still here.
[21:23] <rusty> the trolls all came to K5 :-)
[21:23] <Dolgan> the trolls *will* be back
[21:23] <QuoteMstr> rusty: Ah, but you delete trolls.
[21:23] <Signal_11> Cmdrtaco: Damn right you never should have! Remember who took you to school on that fact?
[21:23] <rusty> we like them
[21:23] <CmdrTaco> Sig:You get moderated down to much. And there currently isn't permanent moderators.
[21:23] <harb> rusty : I thought scoop was written by a troll?
[21:23] <drwiii> someone was trolling the grits.com message board
[21:23] <harb> =P
[21:23] <rusty> QuoteMstr: no, i delete spam
[21:23] <kck> drwiii: you
[21:23] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: I'm holding my own despite that. It's your cap that keeps me moving down, not me.
[21:23] <drwiii> they posted /. microsoft and star wars logos all over it
[21:23] <QuoteMstr> There is a difference?
[21:23] <drdink> I pity anybody who owned grits.com pre-slashdot
[21:23] <CmdrTaco> ok, we need to moderate this.
[21:23] <rusty> yes!
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[21:23] <CmdrTaco> I can't do all these questions at once.
[21:23] <Simcop> ahhhhhh
[21:23] <CmdrTaco> There are about 5 pending questions.
[21:23] <rusty> trolls are peope like spiralx and fluffy
[21:23] <Signal_11> Can someone PLEASE moderate this channel?!
[21:23] <Simcop> where can i get YDL?!
[21:23] <emad> rusty, moderate?
[21:23] <kck> heh
[21:23] <QuoteMstr> rusty: Ohhhh. You're using the non-spam definition of troll.
[21:23] <rusty> right
[21:23] <hemos_> MODERATION PLEASE!
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[21:23] <harb> Heh..
[21:23] <rusty> we should have an impromptu forum
[21:23] <Dolgan> signal_11, haha... moderated with you, CmdrTaco and hemos voiced ;)
[21:23] <phUnBalanced> dont' moderate shit
[21:23] <CmdrTaco> Who knows IRC well enough to moderate a channel?
[21:23] <drwiii> +m
[21:23] <hemos_> I can't respond to anything right now...
[21:23] <GandalfGreyhame> ooooh, fuck I'm lagged
[21:24] <kck> girls please!
[21:24] <drdink> rusty: i'll sell you an hour usage of the forumbot for $50
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[21:24] <GandalfGreyhame> bastards
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[21:24] <rusty> course, i'm an op. how useless is that
[21:24] <CmdrTaco> Ok, give sig a voice. Op a few folks to route questions.
[21:24] <CmdrTaco> give hemos a voice.
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[21:24] <CmdrTaco> we'll do this for a couple minutes.
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[21:24] <Signal_11> Here goes...
[21:24] * hemos_ thanks Steven.
[21:24] <CmdrTaco> karma is not a game. karma is really a boolean.
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[21:24] <CmdrTaco> On/Off. Moderate. Can't Moderate.
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[21:25] <CmdrTaco> The bonus point thing was a cherry.
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[21:25] <hemos_> Karma is dumb. Karma just means +1 or not to comments.
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[21:25] <CmdrTaco> It might not have been the best idea, but I'm kinda stuck with it now.
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[21:25] <CmdrTaco> Same with public karma. I can't hide it now 'cuz it matters to to many people.
[21:25] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco - you aren't stuck with it. You can change it. There's alot of systems that don't need karma.
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[21:25] <CmdrTaco> Nope. I'm realistic.
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[21:25] <rusty> someone turn off nick changes
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[21:25] <CmdrTaco> Certain changes can't be done.
[21:26] <hemos_> Signal: If we hid it or changed it, the amount of problems would be overwheminging from e-mail and flame.
[21:26] <hemos_> What's done is done at this point.
[21:26] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: So's the K5 crew. They don't use karma. It seems to work.
[21:26] <CmdrTaco> See the nick changers? Thats why we need moderation ;)
[21:26] <CmdrTaco> Sig:They get 5% of the traffic as we do.
[21:26] <Signal_11> Yeah.. just ignore them.. let the ops handle it.
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[21:26] <rusty> CmdrTaco: why use a strictly additive system, for both moderation,and karms?
[21:26] <CmdrTaco> Ask that again when they break a quarter of a million pages a day.
[21:26] <hemos_> rusty: explain more.
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[21:26] <CmdrTaco> rusty:Need more info.
[21:26] <rusty> i.e. K5 uses an averaging system for both
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[21:27] <rusty> you rate comments 1-5 and all ratings are averaged
[21:27] <CmdrTaco> Not familiar enough w/ K5's system.
[21:27] <rusty> to get the score
[21:27] <rusty> rather than +/-1
[21:27] <CmdrTaco> To much work.
[21:27] <rusty> ?
[21:27] <rusty> really
[21:27] <hemos_> Intensive for machine.
[21:27] <CmdrTaco> You need to rate all comments?
[21:27] <rusty> computationally, or codewise?
[21:27] <CmdrTaco> Plus processing for the DB.
[21:28] <CmdrTaco> Doesn't work when you gotta be serving 25 pages each second in real time.
[21:28] <hemos_> Computational Megabad.
[21:28] <rusty> i guess we'll find out :-)
[21:28] <CmdrTaco> Anything more then flipping a few bits and doing an update gets problematic.
[21:28] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: why not generate static comment pages then and cut the load?
[21:28] <rusty> scores are calculated once
[21:28] <CmdrTaco> Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how you scale.
[21:28] <rusty> when comments are rated
[21:28] <CmdrTaco> Sig:We do.
[21:28] <rusty> it's not done on the fly every time
[21:29] <CmdrTaco> Sig:But that only works for ACs. Logged in users have to get real time pages generated for them.
[21:29] <CmdrTaco> I can't answer this fairly without knowing the K5 system better.
[21:29] <CmdrTaco> It doesn't seem like this is a huge difference tho. Its a nitpick.
[21:29] <Steven> its not fair to compare k5 and /.
[21:29] <Steven> as the two systems are quire different
[21:29] <rusty> hrm
[21:29] <Steven> quite
[21:29] <rusty> i think it is a major difference
[21:29] <Steven> yeah
[21:29] <Steven> agreed
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[21:29] <rusty> i don't know if it will end up making a huge difference-- we haven't been invaded by the spammers yet
[21:29] <hemos_> The two systems have similarties, but under the hood, the difference is big.
[21:29] <rusty> hemos_: right
[21:30] <hemos_> rusty: Wait for that happy fun bus. :(
[21:30] <CmdrTaco> We designed the core of the /. system at 150,000 page views.
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[21:30] <rusty> it remains to be seen whether the differences will bubble up a lot or not
[21:30] <CmdrTaco> M2 came along around 500,000.
[21:30] <rusty> 500,00 per what?
[21:30] <CmdrTaco> We didn't have user accounts at all until we broke 100,000
[21:30] <CmdrTaco> page views.
[21:30] <CmdrTaco> per day.
[21:30] <rusty> heh
[21:31] <rusty> almost there :-)
[21:31] <CmdrTaco> when we had your traffic, anyone could post as anyone. there was no accounts.
[21:31] <rusty> but, sadly, that was a bygone era
[21:31] <hemos_> rusty: exactly.
[21:31] <rusty> i mean, no one knew what the potential of the whole thing was when you were where we are now
[21:31] <CmdrTaco> Nobody knew what would happen.
<ack>
[21:33] <CmdrTaco> rusty:Bingo.
[21:33] <rusty> so it does work
[21:33] <CmdrTaco> I'm not saying that all Score:2 comments are deserving. Or -1.
[21:33] <rusty> that's not really the problem
[21:33] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: so why are you so upset with me then? If I made lots of higly rated comments.. why the cap?
[21:33] <CmdrTaco> But I'm saying that a 2 ain't bad. And its better then a 1. On average.
[21:33] <CmdrTaco> Sig:The kap had nothing to do with you.
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[21:33] <CmdrTaco> its just your ego believing it.
[21:33] <CmdrTaco> we're just screwing with you.
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[21:33] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: Want me to quote the last e-mail you sent me?
[21:34] <CmdrTaco> Sure.
[21:34] <CmdrTaco> I was fucking with you.
[21:35] <CmdrTaco> I'm amazed you're lame enough to fall for it.
[21:35] <Signal_11> Stop fucking with me, I'm being serious.
[21:35] <CmdrTaco> I am too! Paste it.
[21:35] <Signal_11> This will take a minute
[21:35] <CmdrTaco> I'm still missing dark angel. Ah well, tivo will save it.
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[21:35] <CmdrTaco> The kap is a part of an ongoing change.
[21:35] <Signal_11> > Anyway, what's up with the karma cap? Is this a permanent
[21:35] <Signal_11> > thing?
[21:35] <Signal_11> For you it will be.
[21:35] * hemos_ thanks rusty. and promises not to hit that button again.
[21:35] <Signal_11> Monday, 10/2.
[21:35] <CmdrTaco> Sig:And you took that seriously?
[21:35] <Signal_11> No smileys.
[21:35] <CmdrTaco> Sig:You really think I would write extra code to fuck with you personally?
[21:35] <CmdrTaco> I'm lazy! I don't care about you! Your ego is the only thing big enough to believe that.
[21:36] <Steven> Signal_11, if you idn't realise you were kidding, then you need to learn to relax more
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[21:36] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: the "bitchslap" comes to mind.
[21:36] <hemos_> Signal: Bitch slap was designed for trolls.
[21:36] <CmdrTaco> Like I'm really gonna add if($nickname eq "Signal 11") { Start Fucking! }
[21:36] <CmdrTaco> Bitchslap was used wrong.
[21:36] <hemos_> ALthough that does bring up some interesting images...
[21:36] <CmdrTaco> Bitchslap had 1 purpose.
[21:36] <Signal_11> Steven: Unless you say you're kidding, I don't know that you are. Text based channels are notorious for miscommunication.
[21:37] <Signal_11> I don't want to know what those images are.
[21:37] <CmdrTaco> Ok, let me set the record straight on bitchslap.
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[21:37] <Signal_11> I've already been set naked and petrified once..
[21:37] <CmdrTaco> bitchslap was a tool designed to stop bots.
[21:37] <CmdrTaco> people write scripts that posted, say, 500 comments at a time.
[21:37] <hemos_> That was the aim.
[21:37] <CmdrTaco> bitchslap moddem them all to -1, and set the users posts to -1.
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[21:38] <hemos_> Check out the "Star Faction" book review. That's an example of trolls gone made.
[21:38] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: And I'm not saying you're wrong for making the script. It's just that this was all done behind the scenes. No post on the main page, nothing. It makes people suspicious.
[21:38] <CmdrTaco> *however* it also set karma to -1.
[21:38] <Steven> Signal_11, your forgeting a key fact
[21:38] <CmdrTaco> people are always suspicious of everything. This is *slashdot*. Everyone is paranoid of everything! I'm paranoid! You're paranoid!
[21:38] <CmdrTaco> The script existed to stop a denial of service attack.
[21:38] <hemos_> NO I AM NOT! HOW DO YOU KNOW!?
[21:38] <CmdrTaco> let me finish.
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[21:38] <rusty> I'm not paranoid
[21:38] <rusty> but that's because they're not all out to get me
[21:38] <CmdrTaco> bitchslap was designed to stop post bots.
[21:39] <CmdrTaco> *but* one of the things it did was set karma really low.
[21:39] <rusty> post bots are a bitch
[21:39] <CmdrTaco> to guarantee that the account couldn't moderate.
[21:39] <hemos_> rusty: agreed.
[21:39] <CmdrTaco> We used the script to stop any sort of violation.
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[21:39] <CmdrTaco> that was the mistake.
[21:39] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: but you did make some mistakes...
[21:39] * CmdrTaco is human.
[21:39] * CmdrTaco errs.
[21:40] <CmdrTaco> only signal 11 is perfect.
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[21:40] * hemos_ CmdrTaco is an alien.
[21:40] <Signal_11> I know. But you could atleast tell people what's going on.. slashdot is important to alot of people.
[21:40] <hemos_> Sig: Yes, we make mistakes. That's reality.
[21:40] <Steven> Signal_11, I wouldn't be surprised if you started critising volunteer firefighters
[21:40] <CmdrTaco> I work 10 hours a day. You really expect me to spend another hour telling everyone everything I do?
[21:40] <rusty> Meta section
[21:40] <Signal_11> Steven: Hey, back off. You ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say anything.
[21:40] <CmdrTaco> I'd like to.
[21:41] <rusty> i think a meta section would be a really good thing for /.
[21:41] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Decaf.
[21:41] <CmdrTaco> I'd like to do a meta section.
[21:41] * Signal_11 understands...
[21:41] <CmdrTaco> But I'm still to busy.
[21:41] <Steven> Signal_11, its no worse than what you are saying
[21:41] <rusty> people love to talk about the site
[21:41] <CmdrTaco> Someday when all I have to do is talk about slashdot, I'll do that.
[21:41] <CmdrTaco> But for now, I have to *run* slashdot.
[21:41] <hemos_> A meta section would be an area that I'd like to be in. But we sitll have to post stories.
[21:41] <CmdrTaco> You can't run slahsdot and spend all day tlaking about it.
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> and justifying every time you piss.
[21:43] <hemos_> So that's the choice: no stories, and we sit around navel gazing about it, or stories....
[21:43] <rusty> hm
[21:43] <hemos_> Sig: I've had this debate at every conference since forever.
[21:43] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco ... alot of open source projects - apache, the linux kernel, etc., have their own logs to say what's going on.
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> I don't want to talk about Slashdot all day.
[21:43] <rusty> it's just another section though
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> I wanna talk about stuff thats fun.
[21:43] <rusty> let people submit their gripes, suggestions, etc
[21:43] <hemos_> That's part of the frustration - because [people always e-mail about the same stuff, ask the same stuff.
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> Sig:And a lot of others don't.
[21:43] <Signal_11> What's fun is being able to read a forum that only has good comments. *sigh*
[21:43] <hemos_> rusty: the problem is that that quickly becomes a paranoid discussion. sinister andover kierstu and such...
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> hemos:right. We've had this discussion 50 times. email. tradeshows.
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> We're evil!]
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> We're evil!]
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> We're evil!]
[21:43] <rusty> hemos_: so?
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> rusty:It gets boring after the 50th time.
[21:43] <rusty> you can't control what people say.. let them vent
[21:43] <CmdrTaco> People can say what they want.
[21:43] <rusty> better they do it there than in the stories
[21:43] <hemos_> rusty: Than people get no useful information, and they feed each other illusions.
[21:43] <Signal_11> hemos: I agree.
[21:43] <hemos_> rusty: yeah, i suppose so...but...
[21:43] <rusty> hm
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[21:44] <CmdrTaco> Its much more fun letting people think there's a huge conspiracy ;)
[21:44] <hemos_> What a meta section would take is one of us to sit in there ALL THE TIME. And that's a hard thing to justify. Or really want to do - Slashdot shoulodn't be just talking about itself.
[21:44] <rusty> why would one of you have to sit in there all the time?
[21:44] <CmdrTaco> because there's gonna be 300 comments to read and reply to.
[21:45] <rusty> like you reply to all the story comments?
[21:45] <CmdrTaco> Only signal 11 has time to read/post in every story on slahsdot.
[21:45] <CmdrTaco> exactly.
[21:45] <CmdrTaco> I don't have *time* to any more.
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[21:45] <rusty> um. but you don't
[21:45] <CmdrTaco> I'm to busy reading my email, and trying to get the next story posted!
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[21:45] <rusty> why would you have to in a meta section?
[21:45] <CmdrTaco> when am I gonna post this "Meta Slashdot" section?
[21:45] <CmdrTaco> I'd have to.
[21:45] <hemos_> rusty: Because of the paranoia factor.
[21:45] <rusty> (except for michael, and tell him i didn't mean to flame him yesterday BTW ;-))
[21:45] <CmdrTaco> Because there are only a couple of folks qualified to answer.
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[21:46] <CmdrTaco> Here's reality:
[21:46] <hemos_> rusty: Otherwise it would quickly dissolve into conspriacy theories. although i'd like to neither deny or confirm the rumour about me dating anna nicole smith.
[21:46] <rusty> hm
[21:46] <CmdrTaco> 1. I post a story "Here's an idea for Slashdot"
[21:46] <rusty> lol
[21:46] <CmdrTaco> 2. I read 500 comments, reply to several of them.
[21:46] <CmdrTaco> 3. I read a thousand emails. Reply to as many as possible.
[21:46] <Signal_11> 4. You get flamed for it.
[21:46] <CmdrTaco> 4. FIVE DAYS LATER I get to finally write the goddamn code.
[21:46] <CmdrTaco> Now these days, we have help.
[21:46] <CmdrTaco> But there just aren't enough hours.
[21:47] <hemos_> Guys: Believe me, if I had time, I'd spend more time in the comments.
[21:47] <rusty> heard that
[21:47] <rusty> :-)
[21:47] <CmdrTaco> I wouldn't.
[21:47] <CmdrTaco> People are mean to me in the comments.
[21:47] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: me too. *sniff*
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[21:47] <CmdrTaco> Some days I just go home so fucking angry because some dickless wonder with no information and a paranoid fantasty is convinced that I'm the antichrist.,
[21:48] <rusty> GandalfGreyHame would like me to interject (and i think it's not a bad idea):
[21:48] <rusty> If I may make a suggestion, albeit a flawed one : Have the moderation system at work in the meta section, then Taco and Co could only read random +5's. State that this is what's going to happen up front. State numerous times that *random* *+5's* *only* are going to be read.
[21:48] <CmdrTaco> Its great when someone uses a forum that you work so hard to create & maintain to attack you.
[21:48] <CmdrTaco> I usually only read score:3.
[21:48] <hemos_> rusty: That's an interesting idea.
[21:48] <rusty> CmdrTaco: it sucks yes. you're a public figure
[21:48] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco.. I've posted alot, I've been slammed alot. I've built up a pretty thick skin to it. You haven't?
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[21:48] <CmdrTaco> But when the subject *matters* to me (eg, its about Slashdot) I read at -1.
[21:48] <rusty> some asshole's always gonna be an asshole
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[21:48] <CmdrTaco> I don't like being a public figure. I wanna run a friggin website.
[21:49] <rusty> but, remember all the thousands who don't think that at all
[21:49] <CmdrTaco> Slashdot's supposed to be a bar. You don't kick the bartender in the head!
[21:49] <hemos_> rusty: Correct. But I'd like to give as few people as possible a reason to be an asshole.
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[21:49] <hemos_> And so that means trying to respond to everyone. Even if I answered the questions a million times. Give or take a few.
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[21:49] <kraant> Iolla
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[21:49] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: If you went through all the effort of making a moderation system, why not use it like everyone else does? Read only the good stuff.
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[21:49] <hemos_> Sig: We do.
[21:49] <rusty> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/10/03/206217&cid=39
[21:49] <rusty> great
[21:49] <CmdrTaco> Sig:I do.
[21:50] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: then why read at -1 too?
[21:50] <CmdrTaco> But the moderation system isn't an absolute system. Its a interest / time.
[21:50] <CmdrTaco> If I'm really interested, I read more.
[21:50] <CmdrTaco> this would make more sense if all the comments were ordered by score (another common feature suggestion)
[21:50] <rusty> ok, so. back in the day, right, there'd be 30 comments, and 28 of them would be worth reading
[21:50] <hemos_> rusty: Right.
[21:50] <rusty> now it seems like there 300 comments, and 10 are worth reaading
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[21:50] <CmdrTaco> if I have time to read 10, I read 10. If it really matters, I'm gonna read 'em all... all the way down.
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[21:50] <rusty> this is what i don't like about /. now
[21:51] <hemos_> rusty: That's the problem with any system that grows.
<ack>
[21:52] <rusty> and don't msg me :-)
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[21:53] <rusty> msg a real op
[21:53] <Signal_11> ... I'll, uh, try to defend it.
[21:53] <CmdrTaco> I'll give you an estimate how many times or how often I've been asked that.
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[21:53] <CmdrTaco> someone can edit this and diff the FAQ.
[21:53] <Signal_11> Steven, kraant... msg them.
[21:53] <hemos_> Message from Slashteam: If you have questions about how slashdot operates go to slashcode.com.
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[21:53] * Steven is away.. college ..(log+page)
[21:53] <CmdrTaco> yeah!
[21:53] <Steven> don't message me :P I'm of to college
[21:53] <Steven> off
[21:53] <CmdrTaco> I've already missed most of DA. I've been looking forward to this for 2 weeks.
[21:53] <Signal_11> Oh. Well... acb, drdink.. oh hell.. if you can't use IRC .. don't ask a question. :)
[21:53] <CmdrTaco> I won't have time to watch it tonight.
[21:54] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: Is this a movie?
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[21:54] <drdink> [QuoteMstr(quotemstr@cloaked.dyn.optonline.net)] Does the Slashdot use comment statistics to govern what it posts? e.g., a story on topic A received 20 comments, a story on topic B attracted 200. Does slashdot stop posting stories on topic A?
[21:54] <CmdrTaco> nah.
[21:54] <hemos_> No. Or at least I don't.
[21:54] <CmdrTaco> we're not that organized.
[21:54] <CmdrTaco> I post what I want to read about.
[21:54] <hemos_> Cmdr: Ha. But correct.
[21:54] <Signal_11> Heh.
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[21:55] <CmdrTaco> like cuecat. *I'm* interested so I'm posting stuff.
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[21:55] <CmdrTaco> (right now I'm trying to post a story on 3d simpsons in imaxx ;)
[21:55] <Signal_11> I still hvaen't gotten my cease and desist you know. :)
[21:55] <hemos_> Cmdr: It's old. I think.
[21:55] <hemos_> Sig: We have - I can give you a copy. :?)
[21:55] <rusty> no one else has a suggestion?
[21:55] <CmdrTaco> we've got a collection of cease and desist orders.
[21:55] <hemos_> We're thinking about making a framed wall.
[21:56] <CmdrTaco> "Here's when we were in Rolling Stone. Here's when Microsoft tried to gag us"
[21:56] <Signal_11> Heh. No, but it brings up a good question... what determines whether a story is posted, or not, and what makes good topics? alot of people get frustrated that their story didn't get posted.
[21:56] * drdink hurts you all for msging him questions to ask since it's +m
[21:56] <CmdrTaco> "Stuff Rob Likes"
[21:56] <rusty> drdink: that's your job
[21:56] <Signal_11> drdink: it's your job!
[21:56] <rusty> post them :-P
[21:56] * CmdrTaco laughs.
[21:56] <CmdrTaco> Ah yes. IRC.
[21:56] <QuoteMstr> Ohh, I have voice.
[21:56] <Signal_11> IRC: More disorganized than Slashdot?
[21:57] <drdink> kck: because you're colorblind.
[21:57] <hemos_> Sig: Yes. What we are interested in. THe problem is that most submisisons are dupes, lack a URL.
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[21:57] <CmdrTaco> I post what I like. Slashdot has gone 3 years based on me posting stuff I like.
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[21:57] <CmdrTaco> Why would I change that now?
[21:57] <drdink> msg them to drwiii
[21:57] <Signal_11> That's alittle vague...
[21:57] <CmdrTaco> we gotta reject 95% of all sucmissions.
[21:57] <QuoteMstr> hemos_: What harm would there be in allowing people to view pending stories?
[21:57] <hemos_> Sig: But that's as close as it gets.
[21:57] <CmdrTaco> which means every day 400 angry people.
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[21:57] <CmdrTaco> Quote:Thats in the FAQ.
[21:57] <hemos_> Quote: YOu mean what's in bthe bin or what's coming?
[21:57] <CmdrTaco> Its just to prone for abuse.
[21:57] <QuoteMstr> What's Coming
[21:57] <QuoteMstr> Like you could before.
[21:58] <hemos_> Quote: Like you could before? What do you mean?
[21:58] <CmdrTaco> WOrk in progress stories? That doesn't quite work.
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[21:58] <CmdrTaco> Just means more people emailing ;)
[21:58] <emad> I'll take questions too
[21:58] <QuoteMstr> hemos_: There used to be a bug in slashcode whereby you could view stories that were approved but not yet scheduled to appear on the front page.
[21:58] <CmdrTaco> That was a bug. Its fixed now.
[21:58] <drwiii> how about a feature that shows the link's actual destination highlighted next to the link.. might help stop goatse.cx ;>
[21:58] <CmdrTaco> Should I break it again?
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[21:58] <CmdrTaco> drwii:Thats going in the next slashcode.
[21:58] <hemos_> Cmdr: Maybe.
[21:58] <drwiii> neato
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[22:01] <Signal_11> It's called "Technocrat.net" ....
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[22:01] <CmdrTaco> Some lawyer shoudl run that site.
[22:01] <hemos_> Quote: So only periodically...maybe top questions or something.
[22:02] <QuoteMstr> hemos_: That would eliminate most of the redundancy.
[22:02] <CmdrTaco> News for Nerds, not Questions for Lawyers.
[22:02] <hemos_> Cmdr: But it's a good idea for an E2 site... :)
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[22:02] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: Slashdot doesn't stick to the "news for nerds" mantra anyway.
[22:02] <CmdrTaco> If we had a specific, relevant topic, then it would work, but not as a regular feature or a slashdot section.
[22:03] <CmdrTaco> YES IT DOES!
[22:03] <CmdrTaco> SLSAHDOT IS ALWAYS NEWS FOR NERDS.
[22:03] <CmdrTaco> And sometimes who concert announcements.
[22:03] <CmdrTaco> "Where's Pete"
[22:03] <drwiii> and polls about cowboyneal
[22:03] <Signal_11> ... or whenever your house starts on fire.
[22:03] <CmdrTaco> we have editors discretion.
[22:03] <CmdrTaco> we abuse it sometimes.
[22:03] <CmdrTaco> else we'd get bored.
[22:03] <drdink> does cowboyneal do the polls o rsomething?
[22:03] <hemos_> Sig: Hey, I'm getting due...
[22:03] <CmdrTaco> YES! My Tenchi Universe #3 shipped!
[22:03] <hemos_> dink: No. Otherwise we'd be in there.
[22:03] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: So your own personal amusment is more important than a website read by thousands?
[22:03] <drdink> oh
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[22:03] <drwiii> #3? damn, i only got #1 so far
[22:03] <drdink> makes sense..
[22:03] <hemos_> Quote: That's the basis for the site.
[22:03] <CmdrTaco> Quote:Hell yeah.
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[22:04] <hemos_> Quote: It's been that way from the beginning.
[22:04] <CmdrTaco> Slashdot is 3 years old, by me posting shit I like. Why would I change?
[22:04] <drwiii> hey, if i ordered #2 and #3 from amazon, that'd make it two click shopping. i'm suing.
[22:04] <kraant> You barsterds you flooded out my ssh session
[22:04] <kraant> :P
[22:04] <CmdrTaco> It used to be even *more* about us.
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[22:04] <hemos_> Quote: NOw there's even more people.
[22:04] <CmdrTaco> I get flamed by people who say it should be more about us.
[22:04] <hemos_> That's why YRO exists.
[22:04] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: Is slashdot trying to become a respected news source, or is this just purely for fun and you don't care how many people read it?
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[22:05] <CmdrTaco> a really nice guy emailed me and said 'I miss how you used to talk about hurrying cuz youre late for class'
[22:05] <drdink> CmdrTaco: can I start flaming you about not updating tacohell?
[22:05] <CmdrTaco> Sig:Yes.
[22:05] <CmdrTaco> Sig:All of the above. And none.
[22:05] <hemos_> Sig: Both.
[22:05] <CmdrTaco> We don't care about respect.
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[22:05] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: You said he wouldn't remove the ability to view one's karma. You said it matters too much to too many people.
[22:05] <CmdrTaco> I've kinda given up on taco hell.
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[22:05] <drwiii> how many of those mugs did you sell when you were doing those in college
[22:05] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: Can you explain? Other things mattered to people, other things that you changed.
[22:05] <CmdrTaco> Karma. It shouldn't matter. But to some folks it does.
[22:05] <CmdrTaco> I had to give up on the mugs. I had hundreds of orders and only made 10.
[22:05] <hemos_> Quote: What do you mean/
[22:05] <emad> karma: size doesn't matter
[22:05] <hemos_> emad: Exactly.
[22:05] <drwiii> can we spend karma at thinkgeek (tm)? ;>
[22:05] <CmdrTaco> I want to sell karma.
[22:06] <hemos_> dr: No, but an ebay auction would be fun.
[22:06] <hemos_> Make it a benefit for the EFF.
[22:06] <CmdrTaco> 1 dollar per point, limit 1 per customer, proceeds go to EFF.
[22:06] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: Have you ever considered implimenting karma aging like K5 does?
[22:06] <CmdrTaco> Sig:No.
[22:06] <CmdrTaco> No reason.
[22:06] <CmdrTaco> I just don't think it matters.
[22:06] <CmdrTaco> its a nitpick.
[22:06] <drwiii> you could sell negative karma to the trolls also.. $2 per -1 for their worst enemy
[22:06] <CmdrTaco> yeah!
[22:07] <drdink> drwiii: that'd rock
[22:07] <CmdrTaco> see thats the thing. +1 or -1 karma never matters.
[22:07] <Signal_11> Bah, I'd be -500 in a heartbeat.
[22:07] <drdink> drwiii: i'd pay to get you back to 0
[22:07] <CmdrTaco> its only negative, 0..25, 26+ that matters.
[22:07] <drwiii> heh
[22:07] <drwiii> i'm at like 123 or something
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[22:08] <hemos_> Quote: I hope not. eBay makes everything ridiculous.
[22:08] <CmdrTaco> if I hid the karma everywhere, I would get 1000 emails complaining in the next 24 hours.
[22:08] <hemos_> Cmdr: At least a 1000.
[22:09] <CmdrTaco> that would trickle off.
[22:09] <drdink> CmdrTaco: but for how long would you get the emails?
[22:09] <CmdrTaco> but then I would get 10 a day from people asking
[22:09] <QuoteMstr> hemos_: Tell that to people who pay $300 for a Black Lotus.
[22:09] <drdink> CmdrTaco: and 10 mails a day isn't better than a karma game?
[22:09] <CmdrTaco> "what is my karma" "how long tile I can moderate" "when do I get my bonus post"
[22:09] <kraant> <harb> Doesn't karma, the way it's being used now, just make /. into sort of a game? People competing on a level beyond discussion alone?
[22:09] <kraant> <harb> :\
[22:09] <drwiii> this would make a cool geeks in space ;>
[22:09] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: So ignore them. The trickle will slow and eventually stop.
[22:09] <CmdrTaco> we need to slow donw.
[22:10] <Signal_11> kraant: I know a few people personally who consider trolling and karma whoring to be a game.
[22:10] <CmdrTaco> I'm a practical man. I opened karma up. It was a mistake. I'm stuck with it.
[22:10] <hemos_> kranant: Unfortunatnly, yes.
[22:10] <CmdrTaco> trolling is a game to some.
[22:10] <QuoteMstr> You're stuck with it because you're afraid of being swamped with emails for a day?
[22:10] <CmdrTaco> no,
[22:11] <CmdrTaco> I'm stuck with it because you can't take something away from someone once they believe they are entitled to it.
[22:11] <kraant> Trolling UseNet is much more fun... there's a better class of troll there
[22:11] <kraant> :)
[22:11] <drwiii> some guy actually wrote a slashdot troll RPG in C
[22:11] <emad> Question: CmdrTaco, since you read so much mail, I would like to know your preferred mail reader
[22:11] <CmdrTaco> pronto.
[22:11] <CmdrTaco> muhri.net/pronto
[22:11] <drwiii> you keep mail in sql iirc
[22:11] <CmdrTaco> its all perl, so I can hack it.
[22:11] <CmdrTaco> yeah. my mail is in mysql.
[22:11] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: What do you think of Python?
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[22:11] <emad> monty python rules
[22:11] <emad> next !
[22:11] <CmdrTaco> Its allright. Don't care for it really. Perl junky.
[22:11] <emad> :P
[22:11] <CmdrTaco> Lets not do a language war.
[22:11] <CmdrTaco> I'm a total perl bigot, but thats not relevant.
[22:12] <QuoteMstr> I'm not. :)
[22:12] <Signal_11> But it'd be fun. I can get RMS in here if you want...
[22:12] <QuoteMstr> Signal_11: !!
[22:12] <rusty> yadda yadda
[22:12] <drwiii> so what ever happened to the idea for the Foo Bar?
[22:12] <QuoteMstr> Signal_11: Why don't we ask the pope invite God?
[22:12] <rusty> ok we're done flaming here
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[22:12] <CmdrTaco> I wanna opena bar sometime.
[22:12] <kraant> RMS? ^_-
[22:12] <drwiii> RMS was in here a few months ago
[22:12] <kck> heh.
[22:12] <Signal_11> Quote: Game over!
[22:12] <hemos_> Cmdr: With a movie.
[22:12] <dieman> *breatheeeee*
[22:12] <dieman> *breatheeeee*
[22:12] * DJBongHit is away: smoking pot [22:13]
[22:12] <blach> CmdrTaco: I'm going to try to open a club in my university town after I graduate :)
[22:12] <dieman> http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/lwce/pics/3/20000816-set1/images/20000816-set1_21_1760x1168.JPG <-- the whole Malda Sucks! crew!
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[22:12] <res0> why does everyone always bring up monty python anytime anyone mentions the precious objects taken from oysters???
[22:12] <harb> Karma is like giving what's essentially a meritocracy a rating system, it's giving the sharing of ideas a point system. Instead of having justify yourself through arguement and discussion.
[22:12] * res0 grins
[22:12] <drwiii> RMS was in #aftery2k
[22:12] <CmdrTaco> I think we need to do a scheduled IRC chat in the next couple of days.
[22:13] <harb> Well.
[22:13] <Dolgan> SPAM-ISH
[22:13] <harb> That worked.
[22:13] <harb> I guess.
[22:13] <hemos_> drwiii: that's cuz he likes nitrozac.
[22:13] <sugarush> Me too.
[22:13] <CmdrTaco> Anyone willing to moderate?
[22:13] <sugarush> (Forum time)
[22:13] <hemos_> Cmdr: That'd be a good idea.
[22:13] <sugarush> drdink does it.
[22:13] <CmdrTaco> (then I can answer this crap all over again)
[22:13] <QuoteMstr> harb: Hear hear.
[22:13] * hemos_ votes for rusty to moderate.
[22:13] <CmdrTaco> (again)
[22:13] <rusty> ooh. can i be in it
[22:13] <sugarush> he takes Questions
[22:13] <drwiii> ohboy, now i really have to get area51 back up and working :P
[22:13] * kraant suggests #forum not #kuro5hin
[22:13] * GandalfGrayhame starts cleaning up the log
[22:13] <dieman> CmdrTaco - i wont, im not impartial.
[22:13] <Signal_11> I dunno. Will this be about moderation, or slashdot, or what?
[22:13] <rusty> first one was fun
[22:13] <rusty> i'd moderate
[22:13] <CmdrTaco> Sig:It'll be about you shutting up for once.
[22:13] <kck> haha!
[22:13] <emad> haha
[22:13] <harb> haha.
[22:13] <kraant> I've never had my ssh session jam out from underneath me from sheer irc overload
[22:13] * res0 would moderate but has no credit to his name
[22:13] <jamie> heh
[22:13] <kraant> before
[22:13] <ebw> GandalfGrayhame : please post the url to it when you get it done
[22:13] <hemos_> rusty: cool.
[22:13] <drwiii> where did Emmett go? i see his stuff on andover news but not on /. anymore
[22:13] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: If you hate Sig so much, why havn't you bitchslapped him?
[22:13] <Signal_11> CmdrTaco: *fart* Note the topic. I thought this was gonna be a grudge match.
[22:13] <Macx666> Cmdr: here's an idea for an article - instead of IRC, do an interview of you
[22:14] <hemos_> drwii: Linux.com
[22:14] <CmdrTaco> Emmett moved to Linux.com
[22:14] <Dolgan> is anyone reading this shit???
[22:14] <drwiii> ah
[22:14] <Dolgan> i can't keep up
[22:14] <drdink> CmdrTaco: you want to do an official /net forum?
[22:14] <dante> ack.
[22:14] <rusty> drwiii: Emmett's medicated now ;-)
[22:14] <GandalfGrayhame> ebw : I will. Hosted with BeOS! :)
[22:14] <CmdrTaco> drdink:sure.
[22:14] <QuoteMstr> After all, if it's YOUR site, and about YOUR interests, and use it to promote YOUR agenda, why not use it to control the people YOU hate?
[22:14] <kck> yeah!
[22:14] <kck> hate!
[22:14] <sugarush> QuoteMstr, the amount of work involved
[22:14] <hemos_> Quote: Because I'm not for controlling people.
[22:14] <Signal_11> Quote: Don't give him any more ideas.. he already hates me enough as it is.
[22:14] <res0> heh
[22:14] <emad> cmdrtaco, make sure you post to /. about it
[22:14] <CmdrTaco> Quote:We don't bitchslap people we hate. If he ran a bot, he'd get slapped.
[22:14] <drdink> CmdrTaco: when would be a good time for you and anybody you'd like to bring? it'd be eseentially the same as the last time you did one here... a loong time ago
[22:14] <emad> cmdrtaco, at a decent time
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[22:14] <dante> Macx666: I can see people seeing CT as arrogant for that.
[22:14] <Decker> Your Rights Online (just not on slashdot)
[22:14] * GandalfGrayhame is impressed, it didn't get hot in here with Gandalf v. Transiit
[22:15] * res0 made a #Slashdot song...
[22:15] <kck> emad: about what?
[22:15] <QuoteMstr> CmdrTaco: Oh, really? TrollMastah was a bot?
[22:15] <QuoteMstr> What a remarkable AI!
[22:15] <emad> kck, forum
[22:15] <CmdrTaco> tomorrow is busy.
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[22:15] <kck> emad: eh cool
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[22:15] <res0> that's my only worthy attempt
[22:15] <hemos_> Thursday for debate.
[22:15] <kraant> rusty Taco Hemos : What about a RoundTable article on k5 we haven't had that style of interview for a whule
[22:15] <CmdrTaco> Quote:He may have acted like one ;)
[22:15] <brian_> Wow, no need for voice. Ok, so I saw people asking about features for slashcode, who wanted to know what?
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And this is where it ends. Where you see <ack> I was disconnected. Send me the chunks, in plaintext, to david.aquilina@purchase.edu . If you have more that you'd like to see, send that along too. Thanks. -Gandalf.